Ground Controls in a 2G

[ZellX113]

I plan to run GC with Tociko Illuminas soon. Its going to be for street use an I'm just wondering what everyone else is using/recommends?

[Shea]

Skunks with Tokicos. I heard positive things about GC though. I think Steve ran them on Quad...

Shea

[Paul]

I plan to run GC with Tociko Illuminas soon. Its going to be for street use an I'm just wondering what everyone else is using/recommends?

Why? To lower the car, a little better handling, etc. Is this a daily driver?

Paul

[Bryan Savage]

I'd say that the only reason to use adjustable coilovers is to dial in a special ride height you can't get with any other spring, or to dial in the corner weights (*cough-cough-I-have-scales-cough*). Once you get the height were you want, you *ought* to have the car aligned. Once it's aligned, you can't change anything anymore without altering your suspension geometry.

Yeah, it's cool to tell people you have adjustables, but you really only adjust them once or twice.

I don't know about a 2g, but I have them on my 1g. The collar for the GC spring is smaller in diameter than where the factory spring perch is in the rear. Therefore, you have to "lower" the rear two inches just to match the factory ride height. I have my rear "lowered" four inches and the front only around two.

To be able to adjust the fronts, the factory spring perches have to be cut off the shock, or else you won't have full access to the locking collar. Having to do it over, I'd just pick a lowering spring and save myself a bit of work.

[Paul]

To be able to adjust the fronts, the factory spring perches have to be cut off the shock, or else you won't have full access to the locking collar. Having to do it over, I'd just pick a lowering spring and save myself a bit of work.

Not so with a 2G.

I have GC coilovers on now with Tokico shocks.

You want your car to handle, just get some negative camber - best and cheapest handling mod!

I took James L for a ride. He commented his car couldn't handle the cloverleaf exit like mine. I was not even pushing it! (pun intended) Probably could have done 10 or 15 mph faster with no trouble.

Paul

[Paul]

I should add your goals will help you decide spring rates.

Paul

[Kibo]

Like Paul, I'm currently using Tokico Illuminas with GC coilovers on my 2G. My spring rates are 500F/400R...I wouldn't recommend going that high for daily use, though.

My intended use was AutoX / occasional track days in a daily driver, so I have a fair number of other suspension modifications along those lines. Like Paul said, decide what you want out of the car and it will help determine the proper setup for you.

One comment: the Skunk2 coilovers for the 2G have a problem with coil bind. I've only seen one set, but the springs were complete junk. FWIW.

[Paul]

Like Paul, I'm currently using Tokico Illuminas with GC coilovers on my 2G. My spring rates are 500F/400R...I wouldn't recommend going that high for daily use, though.



I ran 500 front/425 rear for awhile on my daily driver. The wife did not like it.

IIRC I'm at 325 and 250 now. Ride is acceptable and decent performance on the street.

Paul

[Kibo]

I actually don't mind the ride, but I think I'm more tolerant than most of a rough ride. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the springs are at the extreme end of the Illumina's damping capacity; and since the adjusters tweak both compression and rebound, the compression damping is pretty harsh.

I'd love to buy your Penskes, Paul--hold on to them for a year and I'll buy them from you. :)

I really need more negative camber up front (currently only -1 or -1.5). I had a line on SPC arms at a good price, but I haven't heard from the seller in a while. :(

[Paul]

I actually don't mind the ride, but I think I'm more tolerant than most of a rough ride. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the springs are at the extreme end of the Illumina's damping capacity; and since the adjusters tweak both compression and rebound, the compression damping is pretty harsh.

I'd love to buy your Penskes, Paul--hold on to them for a year and I'll buy them from you. :)

I really need more negative camber up front (currently only -1 or -1.5). I had a line on SPC arms at a good price, but I haven't heard from the seller in a while. :(

The problem is the compression and rebound are adjusted together. With those springs you would want less compression and more rebound. You end up with a harsh ride.

I can arrange financing on the Penskes for you. (You know - buy here, pay here :) )

You can drive to the other side of I25 and pick up some SPC arms.

Paul

[Kibo]

The problem is the compression and rebound are adjusted together. With those springs you would want less compression and more rebound. You end up with a harsh ride.
I really wish there was more of a middle ground between Illuminas (or even Konis) and Penskes. I know a lot of people like the JICs; but knowing how they're designed from an engineering point of view, they're pretty expensive for the technology.
I can arrange financing on the Penskes for you. (You know - buy here, pay here :) )
I'll see if I can convince Michelle that we don't really need a honeymoon. :p
You can drive to the other side of I25 and pick up some SPC arms.
But not for $200! ;)