T-too small...can she go big?

[dsm_gsx97]

Well messing around talking with Kenny and Erron recently I've been joking around about running a T-25 I have laying around on the race car this year since I don't think I'll have all the money to finish the turbo setup for it.

I have a whole stock 2G turbo setup with stock SMIC laying in my garage. Figured I'd port the compressor housing and use a ported 2G mani and a ported 2G O2 housing I have laying around also. I'd use the stock piping out of the turbo to the IC and then from the IC to the Q45 Throttle body I'd use 2.5" hard piping I have already made for my Tial BOV and temp sensor. I got a NX Pirhana direct port setup that will be my power maker. Not sure the lowest shot I can use (think its 50 per cyclinder so a 200 shot) but I'm curious to how high it will spike the turbo. Running 14psi I figure a 200 shot would spike it 4-6psi. Curious to what you guys think. Here are the mods that are on the car for this if you want to see HERE (http://www.fullyboostedmotorsports.com/newsetup.html)

So...will the T-25 take it? And how long you think? I can talk more specifics but I figured I'd open this up pretty general. Do you think the T-too small is even worth it or should I find a 16G to have this fun? After being out 2 seasons with family stuff I'm itching to get back into it and since my wife will be racing the silver '95 I'm left to get the race car going again if I want any fun.

[BlueVelocity]

Sweet!
I will predict a spike of 8psi, and a broken shaft after a few runs. You should still do it anyway.:D

Erron S.

[Zeppelin]

I think you'd be better off with a 14b. It should be able to take more overspinning without coming apart.

[ricehunter]

Well I'd like to see how you can do on the T25, sofar the fastest guy on a T25 was:
#941 Steven Tomaszewski 13.141 103.83 8.347 82.91 1.764 T25 No

http://dsmtimes.org/details.php?ID=441

[dsm_gsx97]

That time is without nitrous which I will be using. No way could a T-25 alone up here compare to the guys running at sea level. They're in the 12's IIRC now just DSMTimes isn't the place for you to find a good time of a T-25 running its fastest.

14b is a good idea. I know Curt Brown was running a 14b and I think running 10s or 9s. I know Nate of DSMMotorsports ran a 14b on their shop car a year or two ago in the 10s with a 150 single fogger shot. 14b is a much better plan for the abuse, but I don't have one laying around. I guess I could find one for $100ish on DSMtrader or locally.

[ricehunter]

Well I'd say do the T25 until it dies then have the 14b on hand for a swap then see what you could pull on both.

[prophecymiller]

Try the t25 out just for the heck of it...I remember seeing a guy on tuners that ran an 11.1 with the t25. I think he was stripped completely though...

[Zeppelin]

I should have my 14b out in a month or so. Not sure if you're looking to wait that long or not.

[mpdeneen]

I should have my 14b out in a month or so. Not sure if you're looking to wait that long or not.

I've got a 14b now...

;)

-M

[Mirage]

I predict a grenaded wheel after one full NLTS studderboxed run. :D

Seriously though. Run the T25 until it blows going for the record and then step up one turbo size at a time until you just can't squeak anything more out of it.

I loved how responsive my car was with a 14b at no wastegate pressure (read: no boost control) on the 2.3.

Marcus

[dsm_gsx97]

I should have my 14b out in a month or so. Not sure if you're looking to wait that long or not.

Oh this is all for next season so we have plenty of time. This car sits on my trailer in the back yard or in my garage during the off season so it doesn't need this to happen any time soon. Hell I think it needs new tags and now that I have the AEM EMS I don't think I'd pass emissions because the ODBII test. So this isn't till Bandi is open again. I'm just looking for stuff to do with it next year so I'm not sitting on my thumbs and wanted ideas from you guys. Hopefully I can put together the setup I want for it by then, but chances are money isn't going to work out that way so I'm just trying to come up with something fun for me that others would get a kick out of.

[ricehunter]

I just read the post on RMdsm, I was wondering what your turbo build was going to be. Also I was thinking, why not pick up one of those ebay t3/t4 setups and see what it can do, how long it takes for it to give.

[BlueVelocity]

Oh this is all for next season so we have plenty of time. This car sits on my trailer in the back yard or in my garage during the off season so it doesn't need this to happen any time soon. Hell I think it needs new tags and now that I have the AEM EMS I don't think I'd pass emissions because the ODBII test. So this isn't till Bandi is open again. I'm just looking for stuff to do with it next year so I'm not sitting on my thumbs and wanted ideas from you guys. Hopefully I can put together the setup I want for it by then, but chances are money isn't going to work out that way so I'm just trying to come up with something fun for me that others would get a kick out of.


No! No, you DON'T have plenty of time! LOL! You should start now mister "help me put my engine in the day before a race".:D

Seriously, start now.

Erron S.

[97TurboTalon]

I'm going to agree with Erron, you should of started yesterday. Winter goes by quick, next thing you know it's April and the first TT is coming up.

[thiazole]

I think you should go ahead and try it, but start with the wastegate wired wide open and see what happens. If you can't control the boost then, you won't have any hope with the actuator hooked up. I don't think the T25 will do that much anyway - you'll be running low 13s with no turbo and 200hp nitrous. You might run mid 12s with the turbo (if you can control the boost).

[burnett03]

I think you should go ahead and try it, but start with the wastegate wired wide open and see what happens. If you can't control the boost then, you won't have any hope with the actuator hooked up. I don't think the T25 will do that much anyway - you'll be running low 13s with no turbo and 200hp nitrous. You might run mid 12s with the turbo (if you can control the boost).

Wiring the gate open would create, little to no boost.

[thiazole]

You think 300+ hp worth of exhaust will all go through the little wastegate hole?

[dsm_gsx97]

No! No, you DON'T have plenty of time! LOL! You should start now mister "help me put my engine in the day before a race".:D

Seriously, start now.

Erron S.

I'm going to agree with Erron, you should of started yesterday. Winter goes by quick, next thing you know it's April and the first TT is coming up.

That was cool when you two showed up that day and helped me finish dropping the engine in. I'm not sure what I'm going to do, but I need to finish the silver car's engine rebuild before I can move the black car back into the garage. I'm selling a bunch of crap and hopefully will just buy the turbo I am going to get. If I don't have all the parts come April I will try this though.

I think the T-25 is scaring me now that Jake pointed out the whole ruined engine scenario. I mean Shawn you'll remember the last time I was at Bandimere and had a T-25 (was it really 6-7 years ago...man time goes quick). We blew that one then and we were dealing with spikes then too. Luckily the IC caught all the scraps that would have killed the engine back then. Will I get that lucky twice? So I think I'll end up trying a 14b if I do this. Hopefully it won't come to it and I can just run what I was planning all along.

[ricehunter]

ebay turbo, I'd like to see if it really holds up

[burnett03]

You think 300+ hp worth of exhaust will all go through the little wastegate hole?

Are you talking about wiring the gate open and then hitting a 200shot? Or talking about just leaving the gate wired open and trying to boost.. Because it wont created more than i'd say 3-4lbs with the gate wired open off the juice. Even on the juice i wouldnt expect more than 6-7psi of boost.

[dsm_gsx97]

ebay turbo, I'd like to see if it really holds up

Ya but all of those are a couple of hundred dollars too, and I'm looking to do this for cheap if not free. I've been interested in those too to see how well they really put out (I'm thinking not very much), but my pockets aren't big enough to test those grounds if I really am still saving for my big turbo setup. Since this thread started though things are starting to shape up like I'll have a big turbo setup afterall. Just need people to by a few of my parts I'm listing today and if that happens I'll be able to buy most of my setup that is missing (Turbo, manifold, wastegate).

[thiazole]

Are you talking about wiring the gate open and then hitting a 200shot? Or talking about just leaving the gate wired open and trying to boost.. Because it wont created more than i'd say 3-4lbs with the gate wired open off the juice. Even on the juice i wouldnt expect more than 6-7psi of boost.

Wiring it open and hitting the juice. Think about it this way: on certain cars, a B16g will have boost creep - where the wastegate is open all the way, but not enough exhaust can be diverted through it to control the boost. This isn't usually a problem on a T25, because the wastegate is big compared to the small amount of power that it can make. You add an extra 200hp worth of exhaust, and now you are right around the hp that a big16g makes. On top of that, you have a turbine that spins with much less airflow than a B16g as the alternate path for the exhaust. I predict at least 12psi boost with the wastegate wired open.

[thiazole]

Ya but all of those are a couple of hundred dollars too, and I'm looking to do this for cheap if not free. I've been interested in those too to see how well they really put out (I'm thinking not very much), but my pockets aren't big enough to test those grounds if I really am still saving for my big turbo setup. Since this thread started though things are starting to shape up like I'll have a big turbo setup afterall. Just need people to by a few of my parts I'm listing today and if that happens I'll be able to buy most of my setup that is missing (Turbo, manifold, wastegate).

E-bay turbo = grenade. A bunch of people have figured this out the hard way. I think that is why you have to have fire jacket now at a NHRA dragstrip if you have any aftermarket turbo.

[ricehunter]

bandi & PMP don't require them, neither did the ones in california when my brother was racing out there.

plus that's too bad I wanted to see what the ebay turbo's could do...other then fail...lol

[t_jolt]

bandi & PMP don't require them, neither did the ones in california when my brother was racing out there.

plus that's too bad I wanted to see what the ebay turbo's could do...other then fail...lol

Bandi Does

[thiazole]

bandi & PMP don't require them, neither did the ones in california when my brother was racing out there.

plus that's too bad I wanted to see what the ebay turbo's could do...other then fail...lol

It's only if you are running 13.99 and faster - you'll need to worry about it soon, although you could easily lie and say your turbo is stock.

13.99 seconds
- Drive Line Loop with slicks (13.00 with street tires)
- Approved helmet - Roll bar in convertibles
- SFI seat belts in convertibles
- SFI 3.2A/1 Jacket in vehicles equiped with non-OEM
nitrous, turbos or superchargers

[Cloud]

13.99 seconds
- Drive Line Loop with slicks (13.00 with street tires)
- Approved helmet - Roll bar in convertibles
- SFI seat belts in convertibles
- SFI 3.2A/1 Jacket in vehicles equiped with non-OEM
nitrous, turbos or superchargers

So wait, I have to have a driveshaft loop? I always wondered what the point was for a driveshaft loop unless you have a couple of them, especially on a three piece shaft like ours.

[thiazole]

They don't seem to enforce the driveline loop on our cars for some reason.

[dsm_gsx97]

They don't seem to enforce the driveline loop on our cars for some reason.

Hmmm...that used to only be required of 11.49 and faster cars. Last time I was there (season before this last one) they mentioned to me that I needed to get one of them in there. That was last year though. They more mentioned it because they were inspecting my cage and other stuff and asked me about it. I got the one tech who was going by the book. He failed me on my battery cuttoff switch only to have me leave come back and get another tech who passed me without even trying the switch. So maybe it was just him or maybe this year they didn't look as much since they raised the time up.

Driveshaft loops are cheap, but not easy. I picked mine up from Summit Racing for $20. The hard part is getting it to fit under there where you need it. Still have to do mine. 2Gs have some weird bends right there so I've been putting it off since the car wasn't track worthy anyways.