Got my First Dsm

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

I bought my first Dsm and its smoking and im pretty sure the turbo is leaking oil. I want to rebuild it and put a bigger turbo on it but no sure wut to do cause its my first dsm. So if anymone can help me that would be great.

[XakEp]

Oh boy. Well, your first priority should be making it reliable BEFORE making it fast. Otherwise it'll turn into MORE of a money pit than it already is. Fix the problems first.

[thiazole]

I'm not sure what your level of automotive knowlege is, so I'll assume you are a beginner (if not, then this stuff should just be a review of what you already know).
First, you should really familiarize youself with these cars. Go to vfaq.com as a start. You should also get a Service Manual for your car (you can get a backup disk for pretty cheap if you look around). Once you are familiar with everything, you should look at your preturbo intake tubing. If you see oil there, then your engine is blowing oil. If not, then check the intake tubing between your turbo and intercooler. If there is a pool of oil there (but not preturbo intake) then your turbo is blowing oil and that is causing the smoking (I'm guessing a turbo could blow oil out the exhaust side without blowing out the intake side, so I'm not sure how you figure out it is your turbo in that case). If the smoke is white and your coolant levels are dropping, then you are blowing coolant from somewhere into the engine (likely a head gasket). If the smoke is dark brown or even black, then it is likely that your fuel metering is off for some reason (a major boost leak is the usual cause on our cars).

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

well thats why i figured that the turbo was bad cause there was oil in the intake tube and there was a lot of white smoke coming out. So wut should i do get another 14b or go bigger.

[ricehunter]

Well once you make sure the car has all of the matainance done. You might want to look at the Evo3Big16g, its what a lot of people run until they're ready for a big turbo.

[thiazole]

If you need the least expensive option, there are lots of used 14b's floating around that could probably be had for very cheap. If you upgrade the turbo right away to a 16g, it will save you the hassle of installing two turbos, but ont the other hand, it also requires a lot of other things to get done ASAP to support it and it can easily mean devoting $1500 (includes the cost of the turbo) just to give yourself the bare minimun parts to support the turbo at higher boost and that number is actually very conservative (think fuel pump, injectors, fuel management, and intercooler as pretty much required stuff, and exhaust, intake tubing, and clutch as things that you will probably want to change to get the most performance out of your set up).

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

oh ok cause i didnt know wut i needed to switch over to a 16g. I am basically planning to rebuild it. so im not sure just wondering wut the best way to go is?

[ricehunter]

Proper English, punctuation, capitalization please.

Well here’s a list of what you might want to get:
DSMLink (would require an EPROM ECU) $500-$700
190 or 255 fuel pump (if you get the 255 you will most likely need a fuel pressure regulator) $300
Injectors (550’s or better for 91) $200-$500
ACT2600 Clutch $400
Exhaust (2.5” or 3” should be fine) price varies
All fluids (Motor Oil, Tranny Fluid, Transfer case, Rear differential)
Filters (Fuel Filter, Oil Filter)
Timing belt (must be changes every <60000 miles) - $60
Spark Plugs (NGK) $10
Wires $40-$60
Wideband O2 - $150-$400
Boost Gauge - $50
Turbo Timer
Boost controller

Drag:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1gdrag

Road Race:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1groadrace

Basic HP upgrades:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1gtupgrades

VFAQ:
http://vfaq.com

[thiazole]

Don't forget an intercooler at $300-$1000+

[Gimpin]

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[ricehunter]

^^lol wut u takyn bout willis?

Don't forget an intercooler at $300-$1000+

Well I was thinking what he might need to get the car to run right. I know there was a guy in Cali that ran 11's with less than 1k into his car, and drove it like he stole it with 2 stock 2g sidemounts JBwelded together used as a FMIC. But I'm sure he wants to do it right.

[DemonStreetMachine]

lot of white smoke coming out This usaully means the motor is burning coolant/water. Check your coolant levels. Does the car overheat?

Or I guess it could be because its cold outside?

[prophecymiller]

This usaully means the motor is burning coolant/water. Check your coolant levels. Does the car overheat?

Or I guess it could be because its cold outside?

It could also indicate a really lean condition. Whatever it is, fix it before you drive it.

Does the turbo have shaft play? The oil could also be coming from the crankcase breather hose if the turbo looks fine.

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

I dont think it burns coolant im not sure. I am just trying to get it to atleast run good for now.

[D Walker]

If your in Denver you can swing by the shop and have Kenny look at it, if your in the Springs swing by jack and he can check it out for you. Either of these two guys can tell you pretty quickly exactly what the issues are and what it will take to fix them.

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

That would be nice if i could do that but i live in Washington.

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

Another thing is that i dont have any power in the car. It feels like slugish.

[thiazole]

Maybe your turbo has completely taken a crap and isn't working at all. Are you getting any boost? If you step on the gas in 2nd gear at 1500rpm, it should take off very slowly - at about 2500-3000rpm, you should feel a surge of power as the turbo spools up and with a small turbo like a 14g, it should kind of feel like getting kicked in the back because it goes from no boost to full boost (and probably an extra 50-100hp) in about 1 second. If your car doesn't do that, then you can be pretty rest assured that your turbo is probably just an oil spewing paper weight. Even though the factory boost gauge doesn't actually measure boost, I don't think it will show boost if the turbo is bad (because you aren't flowing enough air).

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

Ya because i just bought a new maf sensor and waiting for it to come in. I looked in the intake tube were it comes of the turbo and on to the maf sensor and there was oil in the tube.

[Overkill]

There's oil in your intake tube because of the stock crankcase vent and not your turbo blowing. Take the intake tube off and check the shaft play of the turbo. Most likely your valve seals are causing your car to smoke, which isn't detrimental to anything other than adding oil occasionally.

Check your timing and perform a tune-up to ensure all the ignition related items are in good condition and

until you check your turbo for shaft play don't post in this thread again.

[thiazole]

Oil right after the air sensor may or may not be a big deal. Everyone gets a little blow bye I think, but if you are getting a ton of oil then that could be a problem. You should get a catch can so you can measure how much oil you are blowing out.

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

ok. I am just going to do a stroker kit on it anyway, and injectors, and a 20g turbo or a t3/t4.

[prophecymiller]

ok. I am just going to do a stroker kit on it anyway, and injectors, and a 20g turbo or a t3/t4.

Sure you are...

[ricehunter]

I think my psychic powers see where this thread is going:

http://www.kutsujuracing.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=50621

[Novac]

I think my psychic powers see where this thread is going:

http://www.kutsujuracing.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=50621

lmao oh man that was a good read....and i really hope your powers are off, there doesent need to be anymore people like that. Ahh the interfooler is still killing me:D

[thiazole]

ok. I am just going to do a stroker kit on it anyway, and injectors, and a 20g turbo or a t3/t4.

Oh, yeah - just throw a stoker kit on it and you'll be set. Maybe injectors and a carbon fiber valve cover?
Are you leaning toward the 20g or the t3/t4? Have you considered a 50 trim - or maybe a 60 trim? You know what they say, the more trim, the more quim if you know what I mean :cool:

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

Ya because my cousin is a mechanic and he is going to help me put the stroker kit on. I was going with 850cc injectors and the t3/t4. Then putting some crower 272 or 280 cams in it but not sure which ones to put in with the 2.3 stroker kit.

[thiazole]

Remember these words of wisdom - the more you stroke it the less you have to poke it.

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

well do you think i should go with 272 or 280 cams after i stroke it?

[prophecymiller]

WHY NOT BOTH!!!:eek:

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

Well i dont know i was not sure wut stage i will be able to do after i stroke it so what would you guys do.

[thiazole]

It depends on much you need to stroke it. You don't want to stroke it today only to realize tomorrow that you want to stroke it some more.

[thiazole]

How big is your rod? Maybe that will help us figure out how long you should stroke it...

[ricehunter]

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reprise

if you're going to go through all that trouble why not just drop in the 3kGT VR4 motor & tranny, should just drop right in.:cool:

Oh and you should let me have your old 6-bolt when you do this, I mean clearly 6-bolts on the flywheel is inferior to 7, because there's more bolts.

[XakEp]

Well i dont know i was not sure wut stage i will be able to do after i stroke it so what would you guys do.

You should be in Nirvana after stroking it.

[Cloud]

You should be in Nirvana after stroking it.

According to the kama sutra you don't need to stroke it to get there. If you are good enough you should be able to just THINK about stroking it and you will get the associated horse power increase.

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

Well i would get that motor but i dont have the money and i was going to get the stroker kit for 1k. I was going to stroke it to a 2.3. I have another question Can the balance shaft do any harm or affect the car bad.

[XakEp]

According to the kama sutra you don't need to stroke it to get there. If you are good enough you should be able to just THINK about stroking it and you will get the associated horse power increase.

That also depends on what state your karma is in. I mean really, if you even have to THINK about stroking it, you might not be ready for nirvana. I usually let my woman do the stroking for me anyways.

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

Man i went out to my car to start it up and it was dead. I had the alternator checked and it was perfect and i got a new bad battery and still dead and wont turn over? What else can keepit from not turning over and staying dead?

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

I checked my turbo and it has side to side shaft play. Man that sucks.

[ricehunter]

Does your car prime the fuel pump when you put the ignition "on" do you have spark.

Take $500-$1000 buy a DD and reread this thread top to bottom.

[thiazole]

Man i went out to my car to start it up and it was dead. I had the alternator checked and it was perfect and i got a new bad battery and still dead and wont turn over? What else can keepit from not turning over and staying dead?
I checked my turbo and it has side to side shaft play. Man that sucks.
Sometimes you need a little shaft play before you stroke it.

Did you remember to put the intake tubing back on the turbo after checking for shaft play? How about the plug for the air sensor?

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

Yes i put the tube back on and it had oil all in the tube. Im getting a new sensor im waiting for it right now. how bad can the sensor effect the way the car runs and idles.

[drcustom]

Oh man, I've seen some threads go south, but this one has really gone down (pun intended).

White smoke is always bad...chances are you're burning coolant somehow, usually means a bad HG.

Have you done a compression test? That's where you pump it up with air, like in Austin Powers.

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

I dont know i just need to do the neccesary things to get it to pass emissions.

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

What bov do you think i should get?

[magikgsx]

a bov should be your last concern guy! with shaft play,white smoke, and a no start condition, sounds like you should consider a rebuild! im no vet dsm guy like some, but it doesnt seem like your car is in good shape. i would rebuild and then get into moding.

[1992 Eagle Talon Tsi]

well i got a mew turbo so thats all good im gonna put it in.

[magikgsx]

good to hear. stay focused on one thing at a time.

[ricehunter]

New turbo + blown head gasket = lots of fun :D

[magikgsx]

id put nitrous on it!