Who's who...

[JeremyVR-4]

You know, I may be new to this forum but I've been immersed in this industry for about 4 years now. My performance network is the Rocky Mountain "who's who". I've notice the walls are closing in on the performance industry and the search to find diligent, qualified, attentive, and quality minded personable experts is shrinking. I've been thru about 10 performance shops over the years. I have a receipt list totaling over $40K. That may be small potatoes to people in here but it sure means a lot to me.

There's a thread in here that's truly demonstrative of a lack of professionalism and classlessness. For whatever reason it never ceases to amaze me about how competitive shops are with one another. You know, one vendor smearing another is downright hypocritical, ("classy"). From a customer standpoint... Isn't that calling kettle's black? All I can say if you're in this industry, no doubt about it, you've made mistakes, and probably screwed something up... genuinely when you make a mistake you dust your shoulders off and chalk it up to experience. As a shop owner you learn from it, and as a customer you learn from it. It's the shops that take the experience and build off of it and change for the better that helps progression and keeps the doors open. There're some very talented professionals on this forum whom I've had an opportunity to gain mentorship from and whom I respect dearly. I only ask that you take some time for self reflection and focus on your customers. The only thing I have to say is... Are the things you’re saying about others being said about you?

Focus more on your strengths than pointing out the shortcomings and mistakes of another. Be grateful for being blessed with your talents and good fortune. Talk less about why you're the best and put forth the effort to prove it to guys like me... the experience educated customer.

[D Walker]

I can vouch for the fact that Jeremy has been completely screwed by more than one shop, and has spent a metric assload of cash doing all he can to make his car all it could be. From shops that sold him a walbro only to leave the stock pump in to online vendors sending him oil fitting kits that have never sealed up and constantly seeped if not outright leaked, hes lived the dream.

[JeremyVR-4]

More like a nightmare... But in no way shape of form do I ask for someone to speak for me.

1st shop... Bought custom headers... bled slag and ate my turbot’s. MFR wouldn't honor warranty so after waiting 6 months I won in court.

2nd shop... Engine builder... Didn’t install the oil pump gasket and cam seals properly and nearly cost me my bearings and the engine.

3rd shop... Hired to fix the problems from the 2nd shop... Busted my clutch hydraulic line when pulling the DP or oil pan off and cost me my 2nd gear synchro on the tranny when I lost the clutch hydraulic line on the hwy.

4th shop... Bought custom oil lines for better flow, guaranteed not to leak... and well, they leak.

5th shop... hired to install a clutch, didn't turn the flywheel and reused the tob and never installed my ACT pressure plate and it blew up.

6th shop... bought a fuel pump and it was installed incorrectly causing fuel cut which skipped my timing belt.

Same shop made me pay to re-install my OEM fuel system because they never gave it back.

7th shop... hired to rebuild and reseal my tranny. Tranny leaked the day it arrived and when I cracked it open from chatter found used synchros.

8th shop... hired to install simple electronics and a turbo timer cut my wiring harness and used the wrong type of connector which was blowing out my ignition and causing my boost controller to goes haywire nearly blowing my engine.

9th shop... hired to put a brake upgrade on my car. I paid to upgrade brake lines and put hawk pads on... Only put Goodrich lines on the front and hawk pads on the front... the rear was never changed.

10th shop... hired to rebuild my headlights and polish them. Just repolished them and did not rebuild them and 2 months later in the first rain they fogged up and hazed over again.

It’s funny that each shop I went to and discussed previous issues with they were quick to snicker and offer competitive ridicule only to find them on the same lake, in the same boat. So everyone's a hypocrite

I just wanted to say thank you to some of the shops out there who actually ****ed things up enough to educate me on learning to fix my own problems and motivating me to pick up a wrench. After all this ****... I'm not only educated... I found I can be a great mechanic when I need to be.

[BlueVelocity]

Holy COW!

TEN shops? Good grief man, that's insane. I didn't even know there were ten shops in Colorado that work on 3S's.

[JSMCPN]

Holy COW!

TEN shops? Good grief man, that's insane. I didn't even know there were ten shops in Colorado that work on 3S's.

That might have been the problem! :p

[JackM]

That's nice. I tell you, this forum is seriously going to ****. It's okay for some d-bag to hound on me, but when I do it to them it's not acceptable and gets locked.

I don't remember doing any work for you. If you are going to compare us to the hack shops you delt with in the past then that's your problem.

I am not sharing any more information or helping anyone with ANYTHING EVER in this forum again. You guys can lick my balls and be slow and broke in your cars with setups that are supposed to be 3 seconds faster than you can hit at the track. I don't give a rats about any of you anymore.

This forum has ripped my brother and I off on the past 4 out or 4 'for sale' ads, shows nothing but disrespect to those of us that do this stuff for a living and share info that no one else would, and still has disrespect towards those that were shown to be in the right and victims of a scam by another shop this entire time.

Unbelievable! This forum and the people in it are no longer worth our time. This is just another RM migration that ruined another forum that used to be one of my favorites. My brother and I are wanted and respected else-where. Good-bye.

Jack

[Josh Warriner]

What I'd like to know is after getting screwed over the first couple times you didn't learn to do stuff yourself? Sounds like you're one of those people with more money than sense.

Quit your *****ing.

[rlarsen]

Jack, wtf.

A) I don't see a single mention of your name in any post above yours.

B) You and I have met in person and even done business occasionally, and my experience with you face to face is that you are friendly and professional, but I just read that rant as "WAaaaaah, you guys won't swing on my nuts and let this be my private forum".

C) I can honestly say that I see no evidence of forum management playing favorites with any shops that frequent this board, in fact I know that strict measures have been followed to even avoid the appearance of favoritism. If there's something you need from a board that you aren't getting here, I can't see major changes being effected to make you feel more welcome. Perhaps it really is time you moved on, as you stated.

[Overkill]

I went to McDonalds the other day and ordered a big mac and when I got home found I got chicken nuggets instead. First thing I did was post it on my local forum and express my discontent with McDonalds as a vendor. I should take them to small claims court over it now.

Seriously STFU already!!!

[Josh Warriner]

Jack, wtf.

Seriously.

I think you're contributing member of information to CODSM but I don't think you're nearly as awesome and knowledgeable as you think you are, or have contributed anything far above average. Stop acting like we owe you anything and playing the "poor me" bit. You're just like everyone else around here and sometimes that involves a reverberation of the **** you give. It's not persecution. You involve yourself in a lot of drama and I think some is going to come back to you occasionally. Let it go. Nobody is a victim on the internet.

[JackM]

Seriously.

I think you're contributing member of information to CODSM but I don't think you're nearly as awesome and knowledgeable as you think you are, or have contributed anything far above average. Stop acting like we owe you anything and playing the "poor me" bit. You're just like everyone else around here and sometimes that involves a reverberation of the **** you give.

Okay, Mr. I can't get out of the 13s in my 16G :rolleyes:

You're so knowledgable! Seriously, it takes tallent to go so slow on a 16G car with your mods. You're an ass on other forums as well, so look who's talking...

Jack

[Mirage]

Thank you.

Finally the forum is getting a little bit of attention.

[JackM]

"WAaaaaah, you guys won't swing on my nuts and let this be my private forum".



No, not at all. No one seems to be appreciative of any info from anyone that is helpful. They used to be, but the RM migration has made a collection of a-holes in here.

I always say thanks when someone helps me. Nowhere did I say or want this to be my private forum or people to swing from my nuts. Again, another quality moderator biased post. What would you care if the quality members of this forum go away. You don't own a DSM and sold out anyway.

Jack

[Overkill]

The forum has the same moderators its always had since conception so what are you talking about when you speak about a RM migration?

[Josh Warriner]

Okay, Mr. I can't get out of the 13s in my 16G :rolleyes:

You're so knowledgable! Seriously, it takes tallent to go so slow on a 16G car with your mods. You're an ass on other forums as well, so look who's talking...

Jack

I forgot everyone runs exactly what their car is capable of its first pass.

I just got the car last spring. I've ran through two tanks of gas. I didn't even build it. I bought it with its issues and now I am slowly ironing them out. Made some progress last weekend but the track is closed.

But that's beside the point because I never said I was knowledgeable and we're talking about you, not me, since you made this thread about you (big surprise!).

Funny thing is you're only an ass here. Guess your mail order business must be better than your walk in business.

[JackM]

They have been poisoned by them over time. I see through little bits of posts and comments that this has happened. Unfortunately, many of the posts that show this have been conveniently deleted.

You are the only one that seems to be a person that cares and wants things to be right. I think you are the only mod in here that is truly open minded and fair with others. I think you should be the only mod on this board as the others seem to have nothing to add but comments that are unhelpful and biased.

It really doesn't matter now. They can have this forum because the quality of members has fallen to the point that I don't want to post anyway.

Jack

[JackM]

I forgot everyone runs exactly what their car is capable of its first pass.

I just got the car last spring. I've ran through two tanks of gas. I didn't even build it. I bought it with its issues and now I am slowly ironing them out. Made some progress last weekend but the track is closed.

But that's beside the point because I never said I was knowledgeable and we're talking about you, not me, since you made this thread about you (big surprise!).

Funny thing is you're only an ass here. Guess your mail order business must be better than your walk in business.

Riiight:

http://www.codsm.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4730

Enough said as this is the perfect example of the quality of people ruining this fine forum.

Jack

[Overkill]

I'm pretty sure I am the only one here with the ability to delete threads or posts and its usually done to clean up crap that takes away from this forum being a technical resource for others.

This thread has become one that has no technical benefit to future members so someday I may delete it as well.

[Josh Warriner]

Riiight:

http://www.codsm.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4730

Enough said as this is the perfect example of the quality of people ruining this fine forum.

Jack

NO U!

I've been in CODSM since 1999, haven't managed to ruin it yet. :cool:

Your posts do remind me of mine. I'm not selling anything though.

[rlarsen]

No, not at all. No one seems to be appreciative of any info from anyone that is helpful. They used to be, but the RM migration has made a collection of a-holes in here.

I always say thanks when someone helps me. Nowhere did I say or want this to be my private forum or people to swing from my nuts. Again, another quality moderator biased post. What would you care if the quality members of this forum go away. You don't own a DSM and sold out anyway.

Jack

I'm not going to get drawn into a confrontation, but since you asked, I care because I joined CoDSM 11 years ago, and if I'm biased towards anything, it's the wellbeing and continued quality of this club, regardless of whether I own a DSM anymore, many of the friends and connections I still value today were made through CoDSM.

Believe it or not, there's still a fair amount of those people I joined with 11 years ago still here, and I'm pretty sure most of them would share my "bias". I guess if that makes us all *******s, then so be it. The club wouldn't even be here without us.

[JackM]

Yeah, that seems to be a big thing for you. "I have been around being an ass since 99!" I owned my first GVR4 back around 96-97 and did things to it before you even knew what they were. Maybe I should brag about that to hide that my car runs 13s :rolleyes:

Jack

[JackM]

I'm not going to get drawn into a confrontation, but since you asked, I care because I joined CoDSM 11 years ago, and if I'm biased towards anything, it's the wellbeing and continued quality of this club, regardless of whether I own a DSM anymore, many of the friends and connections I still value today were made through CoDSM.

Believe it or not, there's still a fair amount of those people I joined with 11 years ago still here, and I'm pretty sure most of them would share my "bias". I guess if that makes us all *******s, then so be it. The club wouldn't even be here without us.

Yeah, and look at how often they post anymore. Never. I wonder why.

Jack

[Josh Warriner]

Yeah, and look at how often they post anymore. Never. I wonder why.

Jack

Hmmm, good question! Maybe it's you? :p

[JackM]

Hmmm, good question! Maybe it's you? :p

Doubt it, because I have received PMs from those old timers talking about how much this place has gone down hill and why they don't post anymore either.

Jack

[Josh Warriner]

Uh huh.

You came in with a crankwalk fix that didn't, a great warranty plan all your customers have to use five hundred times, a **** attitude from day one and crazy ideas like cranks with no counterweights. Then you picked fights with people who have stalwart reputations in the DSM community like Marco and Shep. But yeah, you're so superior to me. That's why you're leaving.

By the way, how many boards are you banned from/not allowed access to? Right, cause you're so superior nobody can tolerate you! Keep telling yourself we're the problem...

[JackM]

Tell you what, since you guys hate having me here so much.

Have Erron or rlarson cancel my account here, because that will make their day. On top of that, please delete ALL of my posts and threads since they were so useless as well. I think that would be the best way to approach this and I tried to do it before, but for some reason my threads came back up. Delete me and all my threads is all I ask and you will be rid of someone that always thinks he's trying to help and you guys can continue running your 13s.

Jack

[JackM]

Uh huh.

You came in with a crankwalk fix that didn't, a great warranty plan all your customers have to use five hundred times, a **** attitude from day one and crazy ideas like cranks with no counterweights. Then you picked fights with people who have stalwart reputations in the DSM community like Marco and Shep. But yeah, you're so superior to me. That's why you're leaving.

I have the upmost respect for Shep and never say a bad thing about him. Get your smearing right.

Yeah, I have had problems with Marco.

Yeah, watch out for those crazy ideas! They don't work! Use the proven methods of running 13s!

Nice job BTW of being a coward and smearing me in a forum where I couldn't respond. You have no respect for anyone period and no shame.

Jack

[Josh Warriner]

Nice job BTW of being a coward and smearing me in a forum where I couldn't respond.

Now I'm smearing you here so you can stop crying about something that happened so long ago I forgot about it. Until today I might have even apologized for being so quick to judge you back then. I'm glad I finally know I was right, otherwise I might have felt bad.

You have no respect for anyone period and no shame.

*plays the smallest violin for JackM*

[rlarsen]

Tell you what, since you guys hate having me here so much.

Have Erron or rlarson cancel my account here, because that will make their day. On top of that, please delete ALL of my posts and threads since they were so useless as well. I think that would be the best way to approach this and I tried to do it before, but for some reason my threads came back up. Delete me and all my threads is all I ask and you will be rid of someone that always thinks he's trying to help and you guys can continue running your 13s.

Jack

This is just even more illustrative of how much you don't understand. I have no beef with you Jack, seriously. I just don't like how you handle yourself on this board, attitude wise. You also don't seem to understand that admonishing you is not automatically an endorsement of all of your various "enemies" on said board. Nor is it testimony stating you've never had anything to contribute of value, ever.

You seem to only want to deal in massive extremes.

You'd also have a hard time finding a single other negative comment I've had to say about you on this forum, dating back to its inception, so saying it would "make my day" to excuse you and your myriad posts from the forum is a bit of a stretch.

[TheJanitor]

The thing is, if captain 3s didn't get in here taking a jab at Jack this thread wouldn't be here. I'm sure he's a friend of Dons. Did he even read the Don apology? Do you notice that Jack doesn't get into arguments in threads that don't personally attack him? This thread was started for one reason, to start a bunch of **** with Jack. It’s obvious this guy is talking about us. As for the other member, he’s a real good contributor so good he even got banned for losing his temper. His word means a lot.
Kevin

[Josh Warriner]

I'm sure he's a friend of Dons.

You think I'm friends with Don? I don't even know who that is really. I thought he and Jack were friends until last week. I think he was one of the people talking **** when I was banned briefly. Lots of people did. And I don't really care.

I'm at peace with my bouts of rage. They're the only reason I don't hold grudges. I get everything out of my system. Jack seems to be holding a grudge against me from who knows when, maybe 2002-2003. Let it go, dude. Up until ten minutes ago I didn't even remember I didn't like you briefly for a few days over half a decade ago. In six weeks I won't remember this either.

You guys cry a lot. Repeat after me: nobody is out to get you guys.

Actually my word does mean a lot. While I'm sure I could dig up fifty locals who say you ripped them off, I challenge you to find one person, out of every person I've sold parts to over the U.S. who says I ripped them off. You can't. Maybe I'm an ass on forums but ask anyone, my word does mean something where it counts, dinglenuts.

[TheJanitor]

I was talking about the OP, I know your not friends with Don. Yeah we cry a lot LOL that's The pot calling the kettle black right there. I guess this is a edit war. Dig me up exactly 50 people that were ripped off. Just go ahead and list them out tough guy. You sold 2 items and your a good guy. Thousands of items and there will be some mix ups. Go buy another car you think is fast. Its funny I have never heard of you.

[Josh Warriner]

I was talking about the OP, I know your not friends with Don. Yeah we cry a lot LOL that's The pot calling the kettle black right there.

Oh, I thought when you said Captain 3's you meant Captain 13's- who would obviously be me. My bad.

I don't cry because I don't care what anyone thinks. I thinks that's obvious by now. What Jack doesn't get is you can't be the biggest internet ******* and never take any **** back. I know exactly why people don't like me but to Jack it's a complete ****ing mystery.

[BlueVelocity]

Jack,

On the record: I've always tried to keep the groups that don't like each other civil. I've done all I can to keep both sides from being harsh to each other but it continues to be brought up time and time again. I have no hard feelings toward you and I hope you know that. I'm just done trying to make peace. I came to realize a few weeks ago after our last back and forth thread that I can't do it anymore, I just have to let things be. I wasn't even going to post in this thread until you mentioned my name specifically.

[rlarsen]

For the record I'm still having a hard time figuring out how the OP is singling out Jack, every time I read the post all I see is that he's indicting both Jack and Don for their bashing of each other.

But I suppose if you're always looking for reasons to be offended, you'll never be disappointed.

[drcustom]

I keep my nose out of this stuff normally, but this is getting out of hand. That, and it hasn't been locked/deleted...yet ;)

OP: You call this buyer feedback? Who did you buy from? Did they do you wrong or were some mistakes made? I don't see anything in this thread that gives me any idea of who to buy from or who not to buy from.

Don: Unless there's something going on behind the scenes that I'm not aware of, it looks to me like the OP is talking about you and Jack's pissing match. If he's not, he should be, because it doesn't seem to me that he's saying "thanks Don", I read "no thanks to Don or Jack" for being unprofessional...that's you too, regardless of the details of his shop experiences.

Jack: Without having followed all of the drama, it looks like you're overreacting to this thread, and being unprofessional to some people who have posted here. Until you posted I could have believed you were one of the shops that helped out...I'm still not even sure that you were one of the shops listed.

Anyone else fueling the fire: Is buyer feedback (or any thread for that matter) really just another opportunity to perpetuate tensions? I don't really care about the details of your drama (this is CODSM, but it feels more like a Reality TV show), and I hate that most posts are now about "he said she said", or instigating something, or just slinging some crap around like badly behaving monkeys. Yes, some forums seem like a place to go and trash talk, but I've learned a lot over the years from this forum, and I'm definitely not here for the drama. I thought the lounge was for that...and so long as the crap stayed there I could avoid it.

[Josh Warriner]

My bad on this thread. I think it's a stupid thread and had Jack not done the same "poor me" thing he's been doing lately around here I'd have been totally on his side. And even though you probably hope a bus hits me right now I am also sorry that your bro got ripped off, that's pretty lame.

Everything else I said, including the traded insults, wasn't so much "hey, get out of here, Jack," (even if I said it during the heat of the discussion), it's more like, "stick around cause it ain't that bad."

I'm never going to say anything in the most PC way possible but I didn't think Jack would react like he did to my first post. Snow ball from there, etc.

[matthewdesigns]

http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/screenshots/episodes/7g04/7g04_027.jpg

[D Walker]

Don: Unless there's something going on behind the scenes that I'm not aware of, it looks to me like the OP is talking about you and Jack's pissing match. If he's not, he should be, because it doesn't seem to me that he's saying "thanks Don", I read "no thanks to Don or Jack" for being unprofessional...that's you too, regardless of the details of his shop experiences.

Jack: Without having followed all of the drama, it looks like you're overreacting to this thread, and being unprofessional to some people who have posted here. Until you posted I could have believed you were one of the shops that helped out...I'm still not even sure that you were one of the shops listed.




Dan I ONLY posted because I happen to know a small portion of the history of the car, and because the OP is a bit new here and not as well known as others such as yourself, I vouched for what I HAVE SEEN. I personally pulled the original OEM fuel pump out of his car that should have been a Walbro, and this after he had been at PMI just a week or so earlier running the car full-bore on the road course. I know whom 90% of the shops hes talking about that did the work he speaks of, but few specifics other than what he has specifically told me.

I DO consider Jeremy a freind, but that doesnt mean hes taking a shot at Jack. Its my opinion- not to be taken as fact- that if he wanted to take shots at people he would just open his mouth and spit it. In this case, hes simply pointing out that hes spent a lot of money, had some very questionable experiences, and feels he has paid for an education in choosing a mechanic that maybe other who read this wont have to paid for. I havent asked him, but would guess he would prefer NOT to name who has effed up his ride specifically, because its not productive to anyone. My only guess would be hes tired of "shops" sniping at each other and acting like children online or in person. Reading his posts, he says
"It’s funny that each shop I went to and discussed previous issues with they were quick to snicker and offer competitive ridicule only to find them on the same lake, in the same boat. So everyone's a hypocrite"


I take this to mean that the very same shops who are sitting there talking about how great they are, how bad everyone else is, themselves effed up his car and left him aggravated. My interpretation is that we have all ****ed up, and those that refuse to admit it or BS about it or try and cover it up while pointing fingers, laffing, and putting down other shops work are to be avoided. I agree.

[D Walker]

Nice job BTW of being a coward and smearing me in a forum where I couldn't respond. You have no respect for anyone period and no shame.

Jack

I know exactly how you feel

[JackM]

The only thing I'm going to apologize for is when I said 'everyone' in here can do whatever. Obviously that is not true and I was speaking out of anger and frustration due to this place. So I apologize to those that are not in the middle of this for what I said there.

I do however still want my account closed here and all of my posts removed. I believe whole heartedly that this place is not what it used to be and I have nothing else to contribute. There are other places where I will be appreciated and will get along better with the users where both them and I can learn and grow as we love the cars and playing with them.

Thank-you,

Jack

[rlarsen]

While I suspect we will grant your request, I would like to know what this place "used to be", and when this mythical time actually was?

[JackM]

This place used to be a spot where people that were experienced, and were not, posted respectfully towards each other without issue. People were honest and respectful towards others and if there was a disagreement, there was a friendly debate. This was best at the time it was the email list. A couple of years into the time it became a forum we noticed things were going downhill a bit. A lot of the really good old timers left, people that had actually done impressive things with their cars left, and now it just seems to be a pissing match between the few left that know a thing or two and those that don't have a clue. No more friendly arguments, it's all personal attacks and hurtful snide comments hinted only if you have been around long enough to understand them.

This community is not what it once was.

Jack

[rlarsen]

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but were you even a member of the email list? I'm not trying to be rude, I just genuinely thought you hadn't joined CoDSM until the forum era.

While I can't disagree that things were different in the email list days (how could they not be), keep in mind that there has been a significant paradigm shift with regard to the ownership base of these cars in the last 11 years.

And, honestly, I think it's a little past the point of hypocrisy (at least going off your post history for the last 6 months) for you to be lecturing people on being respectful and civil. I don't seem to recall all that many times that someone disagreed with you and wasn't met with an aggressive and adversarial tone. I remember only because I've always found it odd that you responded that way here when in person you seemed quite different.

Ce la vie, I suppose.

[JSMCPN]

The thing is, if captain 3s didn't get in here taking a jab at Jack this thread wouldn't be here. I'm sure he's a friend of Dons. Did he even read the Don apology? Do you notice that Jack doesn't get into arguments in threads that don't personally attack him? This thread was started for one reason, to start a bunch of **** with Jack. It’s obvious this guy is talking about us. As for the other member, he’s a real good contributor so good he even got banned for losing his temper. His word means a lot.
Kevin

Kevin, I sure didn't interpret Erron's post in this thread a jab towards anyone. I thought he was just referring to the lack of 3S support these days, which is true, so I replied to agree. There certainly isn't NO 3S support, but it's not like they are the most economical vehicle, for driver OR serviceman!

Jack, I am sorry if I sounded like I was taking sides or something when replying to Erron. So far I have no complaints about you or our transactions thus far.

Everyone needs to chill out. Enough with the primal chest-thumping already! The economy sucks, the weather is changing, nobody's DSM projects turned out the way we wanted them to, and the population is 65% scammers.

How about we act like a club and treat each other like we have something in common? :rolleyes: When's the last time we had an actual club function that people WENT TO, with our own special beer bottles? Oh yea, 8 years ago.

http://home.comcast.net/~md303/pix/2001-A-DSM-ODYSSEY.JPG

[Josh Warriner]

http://home.comcast.net/~md303/pix/2001-A-DSM-ODYSSEY.JPG

I still have mine somewhere too. And actually seeing that gives me a new perspective and erases the cooling down I did on the drive home.

It's pretty awesome that some random dork who joined in 2006 is here to tell us our club has gone down hill.

Jack, I suggest you start your own club/forum and just ban everyone who is not as awesome as you or disagrees with you in any way. My guess is it will probably just be you and your brother and a few ratdick sock****ing COSprings fanbois giving each other tug jobs. Good luck.

[rlarsen]

For the record, Josh is probably granted more leeway here and on other forums for the sheer fact that he's earned his bipolar chops through endless amounts of e-thuggery, bans, reconciliations, more bans, apologies, diatribes, etc. I think he's actually achieved forum troll zen, and is rewarded with additional tolerance for his outbursts.

Within reason.

[JackM]

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but were you even a member of the email list? I'm not trying to be rude, I just genuinely thought you hadn't joined CoDSM until the forum era.

While I can't disagree that things were different in the email list days (how could they not be), keep in mind that there has been a significant paradigm shift with regard to the ownership base of these cars in the last 11 years.

And, honestly, I think it's a little past the point of hypocrisy (at least going off your post history for the last 6 months) for you to be lecturing people on being respectful and civil. I don't seem to recall all that many times that someone disagreed with you and wasn't met with an aggressive and adversarial tone. I remember only because I've always found it odd that you responded that way here when in person you seemed quite different.

Ce la vie, I suppose.

I was on the email list long before it became a forum.

You obviously have no business being a moderator here as you are not keeping in touch at all as to what is going on. All I see is you posting where I do with some comment that doesn't help anything with no understanding at all about the situation.

The only time I swing is when someone swings at me first. If you see threads with me arguing something to someone in an unfriendly way and think it's all me, then you obviously are not in touch enough with this forum anymore to have a clue.

I will admit that I come off on the forum as maybe a little too honest or harsh. Maybe I just don't use smilies enough, who knows.

Jack

[JackM]

For the record, Josh is probably granted more leeway here and on other forums for the sheer fact that he's earned his bipolar chops through endless amounts of e-thuggery, bans, reconciliations, more bans, apologies, diatribes, etc. I think he's actually achieved forum troll zen, and is rewarded with additional tolerance for his outbursts.

Within reason.

And you're complaining to me about what I do? This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about right here. Nice to see someone with the issues he has with someone like you having his back and approving it. Like I said before, the moderators other than Overkill are biased here.

Jack

[JackM]

It's pretty awesome that some random dork who joined in 2006 is here to tell us our club has gone down hill.

Jack, I suggest you start your own club/forum and just ban everyone who is not as awesome as you or disagrees with you in any way. My guess is it will probably just be you and your brother and a few ratdick sock****ing COSprings fanbois giving each other tug jobs. Good luck.

Josh Warriner
CODSM Member

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 205

Bipolar as ****. That's the people we need in here! Nice forum!

Jack

[JackM]

Kevin, I sure didn't interpret Erron's post in this thread a jab towards anyone. I thought he was just referring to the lack of 3S support these days, which is true, so I replied to agree. There certainly isn't NO 3S support, but it's not like they are the most economical vehicle, for driver OR serviceman!

Jack, I am sorry if I sounded like I was taking sides or something when replying to Erron. So far I have no complaints about you or our transactions thus far.

Everyone needs to chill out. Enough with the primal chest-thumping already! The economy sucks, the weather is changing, nobody's DSM projects turned out the way we wanted them to, and the population is 65% scammers.

How about we act like a club and treat each other like we have something in common? :rolleyes: When's the last time we had an actual club function that people WENT TO, with our own special beer bottles? Oh yea, 8 years ago.

http://home.comcast.net/~md303/pix/2001-A-DSM-ODYSSEY.JPG

You're awesome! I have a feeling you will be leaving in awhile as well.

Kevin was referring to the OP, not Erron.

Jack

[Josh Warriner]

Josh Warriner
CODSM Member

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 205

Bipolar as ****. That's the people we need in here! Nice forum!

Jack

Yeah, I was a member of the club in 1999, as previously pointed out. :rolleyes:

I thought you were leaving. For someone who's written this place off you certainly aren't leaving very fast. Guess you got to take time out of warranty work to argue on forums- two things your excellent at!

[JackM]

Nice. Anything else?

Jack

[rlarsen]

Okay, how's this? I went back and re-read this thread, and it contains not one post of intrinsic value to the site (mine included).

[JeremyVR-4]

So I never had an opportunity to clarify a few things, franky after the car crash, need I elaborate further?

It's the simple fact that people automatically jump to the defensive that renders the most simplistic explanation. We're human and we make mistakes. I'm not going to start an epic I got F'd by this guy or that, (holy ****, that'd be epic tho...) more over, quit finger pointing, smearing other shops, take some time for self reflection, and just get it right... My problem was, I was a dollar sign, just another notch on someones bedpost and a "dip**** customer". It was about the almighty dollar sign and for a lack of better words self serving shop interests.

Well, it looks like there some excessively sensitive people in here that may feel the earth is orbiting around them and mankind will die off without their superman save the day..."help". I can only imagine they may have felt guilty for one way or another because they have screwed people over. Moreover, the bigger picture... Some individual shops are just looking to make a buck and giving a crap less and less about their customers, diligence, and quality of work of this profession.

Example, I have a buddy who PM'd me; I'll refer to him as M.S. and asked me to bolt on some turbo's for him. He said he went down to Yeh's place, Trendz, and that Trendz did a diagnostic and told him his rear turbo was blown and he needed to replace them... (Oh boy, Trends almost had M.S. on a silver platter). Well M.S. was sticker shocked with a $4000 Turbo repair ticket estimate to swap the turbo’s with upgraded 16T's and have them bolted on. Anyway, he called me out of respect and I told him we could wrench on it together for free, and explained a terrible past experience with Trendz and why going there was a bad idea but first I needed to evaluate the condition of the vehicle.

Anyway, I asked him to bring the car by for me to take a look... it was 100% stock except he'd recently had Yeh install an SAFC Neo... and was happy with the results. We went for a test drive... and it didn't go so well. There were immediate red flags. We took off at a stoplight and his TAC disappeared into oblivion, past 10,000rpms (Holy what). I asked him again... "Who tuned this, are you sure it was Yeh? You haven't F'd with this?" (Looking thru the AFC settings). I asked him 3 times about what Yeh had just diagnosed and repaired for him. He said Yeh had just fixed the timing belt and done a full diagnostic and put it on the dyno and expressed his findings, his rear turbo was blown.

So I dig into it... Find his clutch is slipping which is why the TAC sig was 100% ****ed, and that was only the surface. Inspected the Turbo's... which were not blown. Okay, now let’s back up and do a leak down, compression and so forth since this just isn't adding up.

I called DWalker to ask him for a second opinion from my observation and diagnostics. After thoroughly going thru the car... It was found his compression was 60 on one of the cylinders, and his turbo's weren't even blown. I gave a buzz to DWalker as my garage space is limited and had take a second look and dig into it. After his compression results he said let's crack it open, I think we were both expecting to find valve carnage, but nope, there was no damage... and then digging a little deeper he was missing a piece of his piston and was blowing by terribly.

So where would M.S. experience have gone? Based on my point and my above personal experience... Had he not known better or brought it to me for a second opinion he would have bolted on brand new turbo’s onto a blown engine with an improperly installed tuning device. There was absolutely no diligence, care, or professionalism involved from this one shops standpoint. It was about the almighty dollar and how much can I drain out of this "idiot customer"

I already know after bolting on new turbo’s, Yeh would have told M.S. he blew up his engine because he put turbot’s on it that the engine couldn't handle. Next this poor sap would've been charged another $5000-$6000 to rebuild his blown motor, which would've led to somebody saying his tranny was F'd (when it only needed a clutch and pressure plate) and he would've dished out another $4000 to rebuild the tranny and install a clutch.

...Life experiences like this truly disgust me as I've been there, look at my list. I came down this same road. This is demonstrative of shops not practicing diligence. As a matter of fact, when he called Yeh to tell him I was looking at it he said "I was clueless"... of course which put him on the same lake and same boat after the findings. M.S. is four years my elder and doesn't know **** about cars. He's basically where I was when I came into my first of 10 terrible experiences.

It appears as though things have only gone downhill over the past few years and it seems like things have only gone down that road because nobody gives a **** anymore and has got tied up in the greed of their business. Before my time here... it was about cars and guys getting together to help each other out. He'll I bet you even had wrench party's. If some people weren’t so damn competitive and egotistical, and actually demonstrated giving a **** about their customers and friends over their profits and self serving reputations, guys like me wouldn't have to write "auto-biography’s" about how we came into fixing cars, because trust me I can think of a million things I'd rather be doing, instead of fixing performance shop "oversights" in my spare time, like spending time with my family and children.

FTR, my 10 list of who f'd me is available in person. Put a face with a name... Call me a friend, and then it has some validity, truth, and substance.

Good day.